Is lifting always domination?

[Hidddman]

Originally Posted by TheWolfe

I think your idea of what domination is has been defined by the cartoonish bad acting in fetish videos.

What I was getting at when I started this thread is probably more about submission. When a person is lifted, they give themself to the lifter. Isn't that submission? Therefore the lifter is dominating them by default, even if the lifter isn't trying to DOMINATE them in the stereotypical BDSM sort of way. Subtle little acts of domination and submission happen to us every day that have nothing to do with BDSM or fetishes. That was my line of thinking.

But also...

What if, in an actual BDSM context, a dominant orders a submissive to lift and carry them and the submissive obeys? That kinda flips the roles, doesn't it? Or does the dominant submit to the submissive by trusting that the submissive will in fact obey?

If you drop your preconceived notions of what "domination" and "submission" are and look at where the submission actually is occurring, it's pretty interesting to dissect the dynamic.

Some lifting positions are more inherently dominant and submissive. ponyrides are almost always seen as a more submissive lift because it involves getting to your knees while an overhead lift or an ots is usually more dominant because it's a proud display of strength and will be seen as emasculating the liftee.

[TheWolfe]

Originally Posted by Hidddman

Some lifting positions are more inherently dominant and submissive. ponyrides are almost always seen as a more submissive lift because it involves getting to your knees while an overhead lift or an ots is usually more dominant because it's a proud display of strength and will be seen as emasculating the liftee.

Good points!

There's definitely a sliding scale with submission at one of end and dominance at the other.

[zebra]

I like domination in a somewhat playful way. Say that a larger woman lifts and carries a smaller woman against her will, but it's not hurtful or violent. The amazon would be dominant in a natural way due to her physical strength, so it's a realistic expression of dominance, not just roleplaying with scripts. I like it when it's real (a huge female bouncer effortlessly carries a struggling tiny drunk girl over her shoulder and out of a club, and the liftee can't do a thing about it).

[Tulipan]

Yes, it is about domination. But also it's about roleplaying.

[malik123]

[pin381]

Actually, yes and no. It all depends on the specific situation. Let me explain with a personal example.
My girlfriend is much younger than me and more fragile than me. But our sex consists entirely of role reversal and we both enjoy it. One day I confessed to her that I liked LC and she enthusiastically suggested I try it. Yes, we don't get to do much because of the difference in parameters, but she likes to lift me up and put me on her lap. In this way she demonstrates her starring role in our sexual games. But it is not about dominance, there is no humiliation, we just give each other pleasure in this way. Moreover, we take photos and videos of our games and then review them, commenting on how helpless I look in her hands.

[TheWolfe]

Originally Posted by pin381

Actually, yes and no. It all depends on the specific situation. Let me explain with a personal example.
My girlfriend is much younger than me and more fragile than me. But our sex consists entirely of role reversal and we both enjoy it. One day I confessed to her that I liked LC and she enthusiastically suggested I try it. Yes, we don't get to do much because of the difference in parameters, but she likes to lift me up and put me on her lap. In this way she demonstrates her starring role in our sexual games. But it is not about dominance, there is no humiliation, we just give each other pleasure in this way. Moreover, we take photos and videos of our games and then review them, commenting on how helpless I look in her hands.

Dominance does not necessarily mean humiliation. Those who have a domination fetish often include humiliation but it's not a required part. Domination can be very subtle, simply just the flip-side of submission. If a person willingly gives up control to another person, that other person who takes control is dominant by default. There's no humiliation there but there's definitely submission and domination.

[l&c]

To me, it's more of a show of strength. I have never felt that the women who lifted me in sessions did it to dominate me, but it depends on the scenario. In some cases, it could be about domination especially if the liftee is being lifted against their will.